SubstitutionIn: K. Kouyate
Standard Liege vs Antwerp
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Scorers
R. Saïd 1′
StadiumMaurice Dufrasnestadion · Liege
RefereeLothar D'hondt, Belgium
Live Pitch
Live pitch events
Pre-kickoff
Standard Liege
AntwerpGoalYellowRedSubCornerPasses
Live feed
Match events
2nd half
Z. Van Den Bosch
H. SahaboIn: N. Mehssatou Sepulveda
T. HenryIn: T. Nkada
R. SaïdIn: H. Lawrence
D. Eckert AyensaIn: L. Kuavita
R. Saïd
Daam FoulonIn: D. Gabriel Jesus
C. ScottIn: A. Valencia
I. Babadi
I. Hautekiet
A. VerstraetenIn: Y. Hamdaoui
Mahamadou DiawaraIn: I. Babadi
1st half
C. Scott
A. Abid
A. Abid(Card upgrade)
A. Abid
R. SaïdAssist: T. Henry
Possession
71%29%
Momentum
0'45'86'
Minute 86
Smart insights
- H2H superiority
Antwerp won 10 of 24 previous meetings.
- Scoring efficiency
Last goal at minute 1′ by R. Saïd.
- Physical contest
The match has seen 6 cards so far with heavy midfield pressure.
Team stars
Standout player from each side before kickoff
7.7
Rating
8.60
Goals
00
Assists
03
Shots
177
Accurate passes
20Official man of the match
30 players
Official man of the matchM. FosseyStandard Liege8.6Goal timing
2 goals
Home
Away
Attack direction
Standard LiegeFocus: left flankLeft wing47%
Depth18%
Right wing35%
AntwerpFocus: right flankLeft wing31%
Depth23%
Right wing46%
H2H
Previous meetings
Standard Liege6Wins (25%)8 draws (33%)
29Goals42
1.2 — 1.8 goals/matchSince 2017Antwerp10Wins (42%)⚽ BTTS: 54%📈 +2.5 Goals: 54%🔥 Undefeated: 2 matches
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Match info
Date20/10 · 16:00
RoundRegular Season - 11
VenueMaurice Dufrasnestadion · Liege
RefereeLothar D'hondt, Belgium
CompetitionJupiler Pro League
Team captain · Standard LiegeM. Fossey
Team captain · AntwerpV. Janssen
Head coach · Standard LiegeQ. Qarayev
Head coach · AntwerpJ. Gouweleeuw
Full table
Your table
Jupiler Pro League
| # | Club | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | +/− | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |  Lommel United | 6 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 14 | 5 | +9 | 16 |
| 2 |  Beerschot VA | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 9 | -3 | 4 |
| 3 |  Patro Eisden | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 4 | -1 | 1 |
| 4 |  Liège | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 5 | -4 | 0 |
Pro League
| # | Club | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | +/− | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |  Genk | 41 | 15 | 15 | 11 | 58 | 54 | +4 | 60 |
| 2 |  Standard LiegeMatch | 40 | 16 | 9 | 15 | 44 | 46 | -2 | 57 |
| 3 |  KVC Westerlo | 40 | 14 | 10 | 16 | 50 | 57 | -7 | 52 |
| 4 |  Charleroi | 40 | 14 | 9 | 17 | 50 | 50 | 0 | 51 |
| 5 |  AntwerpMatch | 40 | 13 | 9 | 18 | 43 | 48 | -5 | 48 |
| 6 |  OH Leuven | 40 | 10 | 10 | 20 | 41 | 60 | -19 | 40 |
Pro League , Championship Round
| # | Club | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | +/− | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |  Club Brugge KV | 40 | 28 | 4 | 8 | 91 | 45 | +46 | 88 |
| 2 |  Union St. Gilloise | 40 | 25 | 11 | 4 | 66 | 27 | +39 | 86 |
| 3 |  St. Truiden | 40 | 22 | 5 | 13 | 61 | 46 | +15 | 71 |
| 4 |  Anderlecht | 40 | 15 | 10 | 15 | 59 | 62 | -3 | 55 |
| 5 |  Gent | 41 | 13 | 13 | 15 | 54 | 58 | -4 | 52 |
| 6 |  KV Mechelen | 40 | 13 | 12 | 15 | 48 | 61 | -13 | 51 |
Pro League , Relegation Round
| # | Club | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | +/− | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |  Zulte Waregem | 36 | 13 | 9 | 14 | 53 | 53 | 0 | 48 |
| 2 |  Cercle Brugge | 36 | 10 | 11 | 15 | 53 | 58 | -5 | 41 |
| 3 |  RAAL La Louvière | 36 | 7 | 13 | 16 | 35 | 50 | -15 | 34 |
| 4 |  Dender | 38 | 5 | 11 | 22 | 33 | 65 | -32 | 26 |
- 1
N. Tresoldi
Club Brugge KV
19 Goal - 2
C. Tzolis
Club Brugge KV
17 Goal - 3
T. Hazard
Anderlecht
13 Goal - 4
J. Erenbjerg
Zulte Waregem
13 Goal - 5
W. Kanga
Gent
12 Goal - 6
Nacho
KVC Westerlo
11 Goal - 7
K. Goto
St. Truiden
11 Goal - 8
P. M. Fall
RAAL La Louvière
11 Goal - 9
V. Janssen
Antwerp
10 Goal - 10
D. Heymans
Genk
10 Goal - 11
K. Rodriguez
Union St. Gilloise
10 Goal - 12
J. Opoku
Zulte Waregem
10 Goal
- 1C. Tzolis
Club Brugge KV
23 Assist
- 2
K. Karetsas
Genk
10 Assist - 3
C. Forbs
Club Brugge KV
8 Assist - 4
A. Ementa
Zulte Waregem
8 Assist - 5V. Janssen
Antwerp
7 Assist
- 6T. Hazard
Anderlecht
7 Assist
- 7
P. Pflucke
Charleroi
7 Assist - 8
M. Skóraś
Gent
7 Assist - 9
G. Magnee
Cercle Brugge
7 Assist - 10
Nazinho
Cercle Brugge
7 Assist - 11K. Goto
St. Truiden
7 Assist
- 12
M. Diakhon
Club Brugge KV
7 Assist
Standard Liege
Official Lineup
VS
Antwerp
Standard Liege
Coach: Q. Qarayev
6.6
#1M. Epolo
20 سنة
7.5
#7Tobias Mohr
30 سنة
6.9
#24J. Homawoo
28 سنة
6.9
#25I. Hautekiet
23 سنة
C8.6
#13M. Fossey
27 سنة
6.3
🔁85'
#6H. Sahabo
7.0
#23M. Ilaimaharitra
30 سنة
8.2
⚽
🔁73'
#17R. Saïd
25 سنة
6.3
🔁73'
#10D. Eckert Ayensa
28 سنة
5.2
#11A. Abid
22 سنة
6.7
🔁73'
#9T. Henry
31 سنة
Substitutes & Bench
Standard Liege9 subs- 21
L. PirardGK - 46
Q. DurkaGK - 8
N. Mehssatou SepulvedaDEFIn 85' (for H. Sahabo)6.7 - 14
L. KuavitaMIDIn 73' (for D. Eckert Ayensa)6.6 - 18
H. LawrenceDEFIn 73' (for R. Saïd)6.6 - 27
M. El HankouriFWD - 53
S. AssengueMID - 59
T. NkadaFWDIn 73' (for T. Henry)6.2 - 73
J. NamMID
Antwerp11 subs- 15
Y. ThoelenGK - 2
K. CorbanieDEF - 9
M. Al SahafiFWD - 10I. BabadiMIDIn 46' (for Mahamadou Diawara)6.2
- 14
A. ValenciaFWDIn 66' (for C. Scott)6.9 - 25
K. KouyateDEFIn 90' - 26
R. BozhinovDEF - 92
D. Gabriel JesusFWDIn 66' (for Daam Foulon)6.5 - 43
Y. HamdaouiMIDIn 46' (for A. Verstraeten)6.9 - 79
G. VandeplasFWD - 99
X. DierckxMID
Technical Staff & Match Officials
Head Coach · Standard LiegeQ. Qarayev
33 yrs
Azerbaijan
Formation:4-2-3-1
Head Coach · AntwerpJ. Gouweleeuw
34 yrs
Netherlands
Formation:3-4-1-2
🏁Match Officials & Venue
Main RefereeLothar D'hondt, Belgium
Match ratings
30 playersOfficial man of the matchM. FosseyStandard Liege8.6Players
Player statistics
New impact summary: positive / negative — no duplicate detail stats
Man of the matchM. Fossey8.6
Best positive impactM. Benítez+15
Most negative impactA. Abid−6
Standard Liege15 players- 8.6M. Fossey
#13 · D · 90′ · Starter · Man of the match +8−08/90
Impact breakdown
1SoT · 1Dr · 2IDuels10/11 (91%)Dribble %1/1 (100%)Impact/908 - 8.2R. Saïd
#17 · M · 73′ · Starter +14−511.1/90
Impact breakdown
1G · 2SoT · 5Dr · 1I1YC · 1FDuels6/10 (60%)Dribble %5/7 (71%)Shots off1Impact/9011.1 - 7.5Tobias Mohr
#7 · D · 90′ · Starter +14−014/90
Impact breakdown
1SoT · 4KP · 3T · 2IDuels5/7 (71%)Impact/9014 - 7.0M. Ilaimaharitra
#23 · M · 90′ · Starter +3−21/90
Impact breakdown
1T1FDuels5/11 (45%)Dribble %0/2 (0%)Impact/901 - 6.9J. Homawoo
#24 · D · 90′ · Starter +3−12/90
Impact breakdown
1IDuels6/9 (67%)Shots off1Impact/902 - 6.9I. Hautekiet
#25 · D · 90′ · Starter +4−5-1/90
Impact breakdown
1T · 1I1YC · 3FDuels5/10 (50%)Impact/90-1 - 6.7T. Henry
#9 · F · 73′ · Starter +7−34.9/90
Impact breakdown
1A · 1KP3FDuels4/12 (33%)Impact/904.9 - 6.7N. Mehssatou Sepulveda
#8 · D · 11′ · Starter +0−1
Impact breakdown
1FDuels0/1 (0%) - 6.6M. Epolo
#1 · G · 90′ · Starter +4−04/90
Impact breakdown
2SvImpact/904 - 6.6L. Kuavita
#14 · M · 17′ · Starter +3−015.9/90
Impact breakdown
1TDuels4/8 (50%)Impact/9015.9 - 6.6H. Lawrence
#18 · D · 17′ · Starter
Impact breakdown
Duels1/1 (100%)Impact/900 - 6.3D. Eckert Ayensa
#10 · M · 73′ · Starter +8−53.7/90
Impact breakdown
1KP · 3T · 1I3FDuels6/18 (33%)Dribble %0/2 (0%)Shots off1Impact/903.7 - 6.3H. Sahabo
#6 · M · 85′ · Starter +3−5-2.1/90
Impact breakdown
2T5FDuels2/9 (22%)Impact/90-2.1 - 6.2T. Nkada
#59 · F · 17′ · Starter +2−20/90
Impact breakdown
1T1FDuels3/10 (30%)Dribble %0/1 (0%)Impact/900 - 5.2A. Abid
#11 · M · 39′ · Starter +0−6-13.8/90
Impact breakdown
1RC · 1FDuels1/4 (25%)Impact/90-13.8
Antwerp16 players- 7.7
M. Benítez
#16 · M · 90′ · Starter +15−312/90Impact breakdown
1SoT · 7T · 1I2FDuels15/22 (68%)Shots off2Impact/9012 - 7.3
F. Adekami
#22 · F · 90′ · Starter +14−311/90Impact breakdown
1SoT · 2KP · 4Dr · 1I1FDuels12/19 (63%)Dribble %4/6 (67%)Shots off1Impact/9011 - 7.3
Y. Tsunashima
#4 · D · 90′ · Starter +6−06/90Impact breakdown
3TDuels7/9 (78%)Impact/906 - 6.9Y. Hamdaoui
#43 · M · 45′ · Starter +8−114/90
Impact breakdown
5T · 1IDuels6/8 (75%)Dribble %0/1 (0%)Impact/9014 - 6.9A. Valencia
#14 · F · 24′ · Starter +7−122.5/90
Impact breakdown
3KP · 1DrDuels3/6 (50%)Dribble %1/3 (33%)Impact/9022.5 - 6.9Z. Van Den Bosch
#33 · D · 90′ · Starter +2−4-2/90
Impact breakdown
2I1YC · 2FDuels0/3 (0%)Impact/90-2 - 6.7Daam Foulon
#5 · M · 66′ · Starter +0−2-2.7/90
Impact breakdown
2FDuels0/3 (0%)Impact/90-2.7 - 6.6
T. Nozawa
#41 · G · 90′ · Starter +7−07/90Impact breakdown
3SvDuels3/3 (100%)Impact/907 - 6.6A. Verstraeten
#21 · D · 45′ · Starter +5−010/90
Impact breakdown
1Dr · 1T · 1IDuels4/5 (80%)Dribble %1/1 (100%)Impact/9010 - 6.5D. Gabriel Jesus
#92 · F · 24′ · Starter +2−07.5/90
Impact breakdown
1KPImpact/907.5 - 6.5C. Scott
#30 · M · 66′ · Starter +5−50/90
Impact breakdown
2KP · 1Dr1YC · 1FDuels2/7 (29%)Dribble %1/2 (50%)Shots off1Impact/900 - 6.5V. Janssen
#18 · F · 90′ · Starter +1−4-3/90
Impact breakdown
3FDuels3/7 (43%)Shots off3Impact/90-3 - 6.2Mahamadou Diawara
#34 · M · 45′ · Starter +4−32/90
Impact breakdown
1KP · 1I3FDuels2/8 (25%)Impact/902 - 6.2I. Babadi
#10 · M · 45′ · Starter +2−5-6/90
Impact breakdown
1SoT · 1Dr1YC · 2FDuels1/5 (20%)Dribble %1/1 (100%)Shots off1Impact/90-6 - 5.9
T. Somers
#24 · F · 90′ · Starter +1−4-3/90Impact breakdown
3FDuels3/12 (25%)Dribble %0/1 (0%)Impact/90-3 - —K. Kouyate
#25 · D · 1′ · Starter +1−1
Impact breakdown
Duels2/4 (50%)Shots off1
Match stats
Statistics
Standard LiegeAntwerp
Possession42% diff
4/1136%acc
Shots on Target / Total
18%acc3/17
0.40
Expected Goals (xG)
1.60
🌟Key Performers
Match Category Leaders
Most Shots
3shots
R. Saïd
Standard Liege
2 on target
Key Passes
4chances
Tobias Mohr
Standard Liege
Key playmaker
Defensive Rock
23actions
M. Benítez
Antwerp
15 duels won
Most Saves
3saves
T. Nozawa
Antwerp
3 vital saves
Duels & Physical Battles
Duels won, tackles & defensive impact
12🛡️ Tackles Won16
8⚡ Interceptions7
Attack & Shots
11Total Shots17
4Shots on Target3
3Shots off Target9
4Blocked Shots5
8Shots inside Box9
3Shots outside Box8
0.40Expected Goals (xG)1.60
1Goals0
Possession & Passing
29%Possession71%
231Total Passes552
137Accurate Passes453
59%Passing Accuracy %82%
Defense & Goalkeeping
2Goalkeeper Saves3
-0.08Goals Prevented-0.08
Discipline & Fouls
19Fouls Committed19
2Yellow Cards3
1Red Cards0
3Offsides1
4Corner Kicks5
4Substitutions5
2VAR Reviews0
Flanks Distribution
Attacking PressureAttack Direction & Key Zones
Standard Liege
🔥 Main focus: Left Flank
Left Flank47%
Center18%
Right Flank35%
Antwerp
🔥 Main focus: Right Flank
Left Flank31%
Center23%
Right Flank46%
Shot Danger Zones (Inside vs Outside Box)
Penalty box penetration vs long-range attempts
Standard Liege🎯 Inside Box873% of shots
🚀 Outside Box327% of shots
Antwerp
🎯 Inside Box953% of shots
🚀 Outside Box847% of shots
Interactive Goal Map
Goal Trajectory & Net Placement
Live shot trajectories drawn from origin to goal net.
1 / 2
Penalty Goal Standard Liege
R. Saïd Standard Liege
1′
📍 Shot Trajectory to NetDistance: ~14m
🥅 Ball in Goal NetTop Right Corner
Goal AssistT. Henry
T. HenryShot MethodShot
Zone & DistanceInside Box (~14m)
Expected Goals (xG)0.19 xG Clinical
Penalty Goal Standard Liege
A. Abid Standard Liege
15′
📍 Shot Trajectory to NetDistance: ~17m
🥅 Ball in Goal NetTop Left Corner
Goal Assist
Solo Action / Unassisted
Shot MethodShot
Zone & DistanceOutside Box (~17m)
Expected Goals (xG)0.19 xG Clinical
News
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Head-to-Head History
Based on 24 head-to-head meetings between both teams
71 goals (avg 3 / match)
Standard Liege6 WinsDraw8
10 WinsAntwerp
25%
33%
42%
Standard Liege: 29 goalsDiff: 13Antwerp: 42 goals
Last 5 H2H form (home perspective):
W1 - 0
W5 - 0
L1 - 2
D1 - 1
D0 - 0
Standard Liege undefeated in last 2 direct meetings
⚽ Goals Trend
54%Both Teams to Score (BTTS)
Both teams scored in 13 of 24 matches
📈 Goal Intensity
54%Over 2.5 Goals
13 matches had 3 or more goals
🧤 Clean Sheets
13Clean Sheets Record
Standard Liege6 matches
Antwerp7 matches
Matches without conceding goals
🏆 Biggest Historic Win
Highest Recorded Scores
Standard Liege5 - 0
Antwerp6 - 0
Biggest goal margin recorded by each team
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 505/09Standard Liege1:0Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueConference League Group - 3603/05Antwerp0:5Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueConference League Group - 3421/04Standard Liege1:2Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2915/03Antwerp1:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 3016/03Standard Liege0:0Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1227/10Antwerp3:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2331/01Standard Liege0:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1411/11Antwerp6:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2222/01Antwerp4:1Standard Liege
- CupRound of 1620/12Antwerp4:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1216/10Standard Liege3:0Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1812/12Antwerp2:3Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 308/08Standard Liege2:5Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2614/02Standard Liege1:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1208/11Antwerp1:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2722/02Standard Liege1:0Antwerp
- CupQuarter-finals18/12Standard Liege1:3Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1006/10Antwerp2:2Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueChampionship Round - 626/04Antwerp2:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueChampionship Round - 129/03Standard Liege3:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2325/01Antwerp1:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1404/11Standard Liege0:2Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1703/12Standard Liege1:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1226/10Antwerp0:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 505/09Standard Liege1:0Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueConference League Group - 3421/04Standard Liege1:2Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 3016/03Standard Liege0:0Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2331/01Standard Liege0:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1216/10Standard Liege3:0Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 308/08Standard Liege2:5Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2614/02Standard Liege1:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2722/02Standard Liege1:0Antwerp
- CupQuarter-finals18/12Standard Liege1:3Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueChampionship Round - 129/03Standard Liege3:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1404/11Standard Liege0:2Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1703/12Standard Liege1:1Antwerp
- Jupiler Pro LeagueConference League Group - 3603/05Antwerp0:5Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2915/03Antwerp1:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1227/10Antwerp3:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1411/11Antwerp6:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2222/01Antwerp4:1Standard Liege
- CupRound of 1620/12Antwerp4:0Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1812/12Antwerp2:3Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1208/11Antwerp1:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1006/10Antwerp2:2Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueChampionship Round - 626/04Antwerp2:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 2325/01Antwerp1:1Standard Liege
- Jupiler Pro LeagueRegular Season - 1226/10Antwerp0:0Standard Liege
Fan predictions
Be the first to voteStandard LiegeAntwerp
34%Draw 33%33%
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Match details and kickoff time
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Match result: Standard Liege won 1–0. You can review the goals summary, events, and full stats below the scoreboard, plus previous meetings between the two sides.
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